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Porsche Panamera

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Q: When will the Porsche Panamera be in an Auto Show? And when will it be for sale.?
I have a 2008 Porsche Cayenne Turbo and I just need to know when I can by a Porsche Panamera. Because I am a Porsche lover. I have all the Porsche Cars. So when I get this one I will be so happy. Thank You!

A: It will likely appear at certain major autoshows as early as 2009… though for most auto shows, 2010 or even 2011 will be the point where it can be readily seen (this has been the pattern with prior high end releases by Porsche).

However, of you have all the current models, your best bet would be to talk to your salesman at the dealership, as they will be quite anxious to assist you… locally, the PCA guys here that have 2 or even three current models tend to get royal treatment from their dealer and have been readily put at the top of waiting lists for new models as well as given loaners of new cars to help them make up their mind on what options they want. They will be able to give you much more information, and given the amount you’ve spent, will likely be able to arrange for something more (if you are also purchasing any of the new models coming, they will almost certianly arrange a preview at the factory if you take European Delivery).

Q: What do you guys think of the new Porsche Panamera? When will it be in the dealerships? Is Porsche part of VW?
Another car that interests me that I could consider. How do you guys think it looks? I kinda like the hatchback look. How do you guys think it will perform? And most importantly, which every answer I get is different, is Porsche part of VW?!

A: The Panamera looks like it could be a very successful car for Porsche, and on paper certainly seems well matched against it’s BMW and MB competitors. Time will tell how the car does and how it’s styling holds up. Personally I find the looks a little odd, but have yet to see one in person – I suspect I may like the looks in real life better than it’s looked in pictures.

It looks like it will offer excellent performance, especially for a car that will be as heavy as it is (though it looks like it will tip in a little less than much of it’s competition).

The first US deliveries should have already taken place, but it will most likely not be a common site at dealerships for some months still (probably September-October will be when most pre-orders are delivered).

As for the company – at present it looks like Porsche and VW will merge (or more specifically, form a new holding company which will then hold both companies as one entity).

Historically, the two have often been linked as Dr. Porsche was the designer of the original VW Bug (though he also had ties as a designer to pretty much every German auto maker), and the early Porsches were designed to use many VW parts since these were some of the few readily available parts in post-war Germany when Porsche started operation. Further, many members of the Porsche family have been and currently are on the Board of VW.

Confusing the issue in the US is that VW dealers were the original point of sales for Porsche in the US. As Porsche grew, many dealers became VW-Porsche dealers, confusing many into thinking that VW owned Porsche (they didn’t, they merely shared a sales and distribution organization in the US). In recent years, VW’s plummeting stock prices led to Porsche purchasing more than 50% of VW… something that has now led to Porsche being stretched too far under current credit issues (complicated by things like launching the Panamera), which is why the two are currently looking to merge into one company.

Q: Why is the upcoming Porsche Panamera classified as a sedan?
every time i see the Panamera it looks as if has a 5th door. The body shape suggests hatchback to me. However every time it is mentioned it is called a sedan?
i understand it has foor doors but it very clearly looks like a hatchback
the Audi A4 wagon has four doors and back seat

A: it’s a 4-door. hence, it’s a sedan.

Q: What do you think of the new porsche panamera?
im looking to get a car and i like the panamera but i want to know what others think of it.

A: I’ll withhold judgment on the Panamera until I see it in person. I currently own a 911 Turbo and I owned an air-cooled 911 coupe previously. The Panamera’s performance will be stellar.

Of course, this will be an expensive car — near the $100,000 mark for the base model. Because the supply is likely to be extremely limited at first, dealers will likely charge big premiums. How big? A brand new Porsche GT2, which lists at $194,000, generally sells in the U.S. for between $250,000 and $300,000.

The Panamera’s interior will be beautiful and extremely functional. You won’[t see “pillow-top” leather seats like those in the big BMWs. Porsche believes that form follows function: they leave out the crap.

Q: What do you think of the Porsche Panamera?
I saw it on the website, and I think I’m in love. What do you think?

Here’s a picture: http://blog.koormann.de/files/porsche-panamera-1.png

A: So, I finally got to see one in person. Beautiful. If you think this looks like a Mitsubishi, you need new glasses!

LOTS of the big BMWs and Mercedes, that cost as much or more, are going to be redesigned in the next couple of years. A Bentley Flying Spur costs nearly $200,000, and is one pigmobile.

I haven’t driven one yet, and that’s likely to be a long time coming; however, I did talk to someone who got behind the wheel (I was at the Porsche Parade in Keystone, CO): “It’s a sports car, an honest-to-goodness four-door sports car!”

Porsche doesn’t fool around with the fru-fru (pillow top seats? BMW, what are you thinking?); everything in its place and falling naturally to hand.

Remember, this is a four door sedan, not a 911 Turbo. Compare it to an S65 AMG Mercedes ($200,000), not to a Ferrari. Beautiful!

Added:
I owned a 1996 (993) air-cooled 911 coupe. I loved that car, but had to sell it to buy my new one. Most collectors and afficionados consider the 993 to be the epitome of “old Porsche” design. The 1996 couldn’t hold a performance candle to my 2005 911.

Q: What do you think of the Porsche Panamera as a police pursuit vehicle?
500HP
all wheel/four wheel Drive
twin clutch 7 speed auto

back seats for detaining non violent pot smokers and cop killers alike

what do you think? all “buy american” aside

A: A huge waste of money. There are very very few places where a high speed pursuit vehicle is necessary, and the currently-used Cameros with the Z06 engines are more than sufficient.

In the vast majority of situations, raw speed and all wheel drive are not even in the top 5 most important things in a police vehicle. Take a look at how the Impala is designed, and you’ll get an idea of what a police-optimized vehicle from the ground up looks like.

Q: Why the negativity on the Porsche Panamera?
The Porsche Panamera is a good idea for me i always wanted a 911 porshce but thought it was too small but the panamera is so convenient (well for me) more space in front and in the back
what are your thoughts..And if you are one of the people who think its a bad car to add to the porsche line up please give me a reason
looking forward for your comments

A: This is nothing new… some will cry that the Panamera is a sign that the company has lost it’s way and proof that it’s no longer producing the kind of car that made it what it is. The same cry that went up when the Cayenne was introduced… and the same cry that went up when the 928 was introduced… and really, the same cry that came from some when the 901 was first introduced (before it was relabelled the 911).

Logically thinking, a Porsche is a car made by Porsche.. thus the Panamera is as much a Porsche as a 1973 911 RS. They come from the same source, although there are many many differences between them. However, if you look around, you’ll find some that will say a Porsche is a car that is a two door sports car, the Panamera isn’t a Porsche. Or that a Porsche is a two door sports car with an engine behind the driver, thus the Panamera, 924/944/968, 928, Cayenne, etc are not real Porsches. Then the set of people that think it also has to be air cooled, and rear engined (not just behind the driver, but behind the rear axel), and thus all the current cars and… well, everything other than the 356, 911, and 912 are pretty much not real Porsches. For any of these people, the introduction of a new car that will define Porsche for many people is seen as a terrible thing.

The Panamera iteself sounds great on paper, and makes sense as a market segment that Porsche should be involved in. The pictures are not the most flattering so far, but it may look better in person as that often happens. The biggest negitive around the Panamera right now is that it’s coming out in the midst of such poor economic times, which is less than ideal for the company given the amount it’s invested in development and that it will now likely not be able to recoup that for a much longer period than had originally been planned.

Q: How is the ‘10 porsche panamera compared to the 2010 Merc s550?
I need somebody who knows what they’re talking about! which one is more comfy? which one is safer? which one is more sporty? why? everything u can possibly think of!!! thanks a lot!!!!!! DETAIL!!!!

A: It depends on what trim levels of either car. The S550 doesn’t do Mercedes justice compared to the Panamera, you have to look at the big, bad@$$ AMG models to get a decent comparison. In a recent road-and-track comparo, MOTOR Magazine Australia compared the top-spec S63 AMG, with the 6.2L naturally aspirated V8, to the similarly top-spec Porsche Panamera Turbo, with a twin-turbocharged 4.8L V8.

The Panamera is more sophisticated, and safer, but the S63 is more fun to drive, more powerful, more comfortable in its ride, and delimited it would leave the Panamera for dust, and a better sound to match. Interior quality goes to the Panamera, whereas exterior looks certainly favour the S63, especially compared to the ‘Mera’s hideous rear-end.

It’s the fun-factor where the S63 also starts to leave the Panamera for dead. The Panamera behaves, well, like a 4-door 911 as that’s essentially what it is, which means it’s the more nimble of the two, but the Big Merc combines more horsepower-per-tonne with a tail-happy sports suspension setup (and rear-wheel-drive, which may be a deal-breaker if you live in snowy conditions; the Panamera Turbo is all-wheel-drive) to produce a fun drive with, if you choose, lots of slidey-slidey rubber-burning fun. Despite weighing in at just under 4500 pounds (the S63 weighs 4400 pounds, the Panamera 4343 pounds), the 63 really shifts something spectacular.

The conclusion to the MOTOR review was that the S63 won by “the smallest of margins” for its plush ride, brilliant sound from the massive 6.2L powerhouse, and its looks.

Q: PORSCHE Panamera 4 Door Turbo Sport Sedans?
Anyone ordered their Panameras?
I ordered 5 with turbos and I will personally pick them up in Stuttgart,Germany
It’s not for me! I have”clients” that don’t want to personally handle these types of transactions!

A: No, but I sat in one the other day. What a lucky man you are, Kris!

Q: How much will the Porsche Panamera cost?
And when will it come out?

-Thanks!

A: When it goes on sale in the fall of 2009, the rear-wheel-drive Panamera will offer a choice of two V-8 engines. Four-wheel drive won’t come before 2010. The powerplants, loosely based on the V-8 in the Cayenne, switch to direct injection and grow to 4.8 liters. The normally aspirated engine will make about 400 hp, and the turbocharged version should be good for 500 hp. The base model tips the scales at nearly 4000 pounds. With bigger tires and brakes plus other modifications, the Panamera turbo will weigh a substantial 4300 pounds–no featherweight, but three quarters of a ton less than a Cayenne Turbo. The turbo is said to accelerate from 0 to 62 mph in 4.2 seconds and have a top speed of 188 mph.
In 2010, an entry-level V-6 model likely will be added. Equipped with a 300-hp, 3.6-liter V-6 supplied by Volkswagen, this variant is said to be capable of 155 mph. A year later, Porsche will launch a hybrid, powered by a combination of the V-6 and a 100-hp electric motor. The 175-mph hybrid is supposed to blend the performance of a standard 911 with the fuel economy of a base Boxster.
Also on its way is a dual-clutch automatic transmission. The seven-speed paddle-shift gearbox will be an alternative to the six-speed manual. Ceramic-composite brakes and active dampers also will appear on the options list.
According to chairman Wendelin Wiedeking, the annual sales target for the Panamera is 20,000 units, but as is typical of Porsche, that number is a major understatement. According to an internal document, the goal for the first full year of production exceeds 27,000 cars, and a year later demand is expected to peak at more than 30,000. In America, prices for the Panamera should range from about $75,000 to $115,000.

Q: Porsche Panamera or Fisker Karma?
ohh man im having a tough debate whether or not to get the 2010 Porsche Panamera 4S, or the 2010 Fisker Karma. Fisker has exterior win, both have a beautiful interior, but Fisker has unbeatable fuel economy. Im aiming towards the fisker, but i just wanna see what you guys think.

A: I like both.

Both are unique, both are sophisticated, both are good cars.

The Fisker is better looking, the Porsche is more practical.
Neither one is “overrated”.

It come down to, do you want to have to plug in the Fisker every 50 miles? Or would you rather just fill up the porsche with petrol and keep going.

The Fisker Karma is almost a step backwards when you think about it.

if you have multiple cars, get the Fisker Karma. If this will be your primary car, get the Porsche Panamera.

Q: What cars does the Porsche Panamera AWD compete with?

A: the worlds ugliest dog.
http://blogs.krxq.net/files/2009/06/2007ugliestdog.jpg
i thinnk the panamera is uglyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Q: how is the ‘10 porsche panamera compared to the 2010 Merc s550?
I need somebody who knows what they’re talking about! which one is more comfy? which one is safer? which one is more sporty? why? everything u can possibly think of!!! thanks a lot!!!!!! DETAIL!!!!

A: There has been no comparison testing between other luxury cars and the Porsche Panamera yet. You will have to wait for the results. When I buy mine sometime in 2019 I will give you my personal driving impressions of a used one.

Q: porsche panamera oil change procedure?
how is it done, where is the oil filter, where is the sump drainage.

A: www.rennlist.com but I don’t think anyone is doing their own oil changes on the car as yet.

Q: Do you know anithing about Porsche Panamera?

A: it’s a concept car as of this moment and porsche’s planning on putting this car to production on 2009, it has a v8 cayenne engine including a normally-aspirated and turbocharged motors making at least 340 and 450 horses respectively. and it’s a sedan which for me is quite unusual for porsche, they say it’s the successor of the 928, it kinda looks like a stretched 911 to me, it will be unveiled at frankfurt’s international auto show in september, prices will range from $125,000 to $175,000

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